Friday, August 21, 2026

If You're Looking For A Thorough In-Depth Debate About Vaccines and Anti-Vaxxer Opposition To Them, You've Come To The Right Place. (My Summary View Is At The Very Bottom Of This Post)

 


He really did say it all in less than 3 minutes... https://www.facebook.com/reel/1752977832820220
Alan: Please ignore the empty space immediately below. Resumre reading at, "Alan: The pejorative slant..."
Alan: The pejorative slant of this fellow assumes that the anti-VAXXERS came out ahead.

They didn’t.
The guy is a good propagandist and he knows how to use language well enough to make specious arguments and to slander all the great scientists who did gobs of great work from which we are still benefitting today.
Of course, you can appeal to artificial intelligence’s shoddy results by slagging the medium.
By myself despise many components of the whole AI gestalt, but I consistently find that AI googles replies to my inquiries are impressive, and I think by and large trustworthy.
If there is an underlying artificial intelligence conspiracy to twist data so that it always supports conspiratorial views, I don’t think so.
On the other hand, I know enough about linguistics and semantics to realize that this presenter is manipulating language, so that language alone enables him to make a persuasive case in the minds of most people.
Donald Trump makes a persuasive case in the minds of most people.
And still does.
Even after a dozen years of 24/7 shit-slinging.
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  • Multiple issues here.
    1. Yes somewhat new but mRNA tech has been around for a while but not used in vaccinations and first time used on mass like this. But we will never know the implications of an alternate strategy but likely many more would have died.
    2. Vulnerability to covid at the population level varies by subgroup but it's hard to know at an individual level how vulnerable you are. Healthy younger people did die and some vulnerable people did not.
    3. Data does show that counties with less vaccination rates had higher death rates.
    4. The central issue here is: What is the balance to strike between personal choice and the implications for public health. However you fall on that spectrum it is undeniable that some personal choices in behavior do have broader implications for others. I may drive home a little tipsy from alcohol and no one got hurt and someone else might kill someone.
    5. Let's also not pretend that covid was just like a bad cold. Some feel the danger was exaggerated. Over million people in the US and over 7 million worldwide died. It was a serious and contagious disease.
    6. General public does not understand science or the scientific method and views changes of scientific consensus as some sortvof conspiracy when in fact those changes are proof that science is working.
    I'm not saying we got everything right. We did not. I agree that it could have been handled better. Informed opinions should not be silenced. At the same time there was propagated all kinds of uninformed or disinformed nonsense. Vulnerable populations needed protection. Serious examination of lessons learned needs to be communicated. Mass shutdown of the economy was not the way to go.
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  • The U.S. performed ultra poorly in dealing with Covid and the folk-approach and uneducated conspiracy theory approach were the main characteristics of Americans during Covid, just like the guy in this video.
    Listening to this probably non specialised person who probably has no medical education, no medical research education etc etc is like letting a plumber perform open heart surgery. But then again only by looking at the President that America has voted for or the caliber of the U.S. Health Minister today, running into such irresponsibility is not surprising.
    One must look elsewhere for mature scientific information. Such layman’s videos by non specialised influencers are insulting to one’s intelligence.
    Vasu Kilaru’s post properly describes in a realistic educated approach, aspects of the COVID experience which unfortunately are not attractive to the masses or apparently they do not have the capacity or maturity to follow. Explosive non scientific, conspiracy driven drama is apparently more appealing.
    It is certain that those countries with high vaccination levels had reduced by approximately 90% hospital admissions after reaching such high levels of vaccination.
    One of the possibly worse than COVID consequences of the pandemic was the overloading of hospital beds, most by antivaxers, which caused thousands of people with other severe conditions that had been denied adequate care to die. One of the primary concerns was to unblock an overloaded health system that was unable to function. In many countries this was more serious than COVID itself.
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  • Bill Kalantzakos You can take off your mask and sit in a restaurant and eat for 2 hours at a table with other people, but you can't walk into huge supermarket without a mask for 3 minutes..... and then when you leave the restaurant, you have to put on your mask to go outside! A lot of information(yes, other people doing the studies and laymen reading about them- all part of the critical thinking process which many of us have lost) has been released along with new studies that show where dealing with the pandemic went wrong... but the Fauci thing is about Fauci saying one thing publicly to us but he believed something differently- that's what this is about- so we need to stay focused..... but you're a guitarist so lets stick with with the guitar.... Eric Clapton who had all his shots up to that point got his Covid Vaccine in good faith and then lost use of his hands- when he went to to talk to people about his experience and the fact that he had adverse effects from the vaccine he was fucking crucified for being an anti-vaxxer by people who are totally bought into the system and will not accept any facts that go against Fauci's message(he also shut down any discussion)..... were you there nailing the Clapton to the cross too?..... if it happened to you and you lost use of your hands after told there would be no adverse affects would you say "Oh well, I just took it for the team and then go get a job making souvlakis?" or would you think.. "hmmmm... maybe I should warn people that there are some bad effects"... Where do you stand Bill?
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  • Here's the scoop on Clapton's apparently adverse reaction to AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine. https://share.google/aimode/IoRjyw3xFzCZznVKK
    Although relationship does not prove causality, I have long help Clapton's views suspect. https://share.google/aimode/q1jlf2fghh5AWWCBH
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    But far more important than Clapton's dubious views about medicine and race is the big news about vaccine development.
    Moderna, which produced the COVID vaccine I used, just announced a major breakthrough in the vaccine-based treatment of cancer that will - in your lifetime - almost certainly save the lives of people you love. https://www.cnn.com/.../21/health/mrna-cancer-vaccines-wave
    Here is Google AI's reply to my question, "Are vaccines the greatest public health boon in the history of the world?" https://share.google/aimode/0CQAlGdp0Q0SK6nDP
    I have nothing against extensive drug and vaccine testing.
    And I hold Big Pharma in contempt for its frequent deviousness.
    Facebook Thread About Big Pharma Malfeasance, And The First Ever Woman Editor Of "The New England Journal Of Medicine," Marcia Angell's Spot-On Criticism Of The Pharmaceutical Industry
    Facebook Thread About Big Pharma Malfeasance, And The First Ever Woman Editor Of "The New England Journal Of Medicine," Maria Angell's Spot-On Criticism Of The Pharmaceutical Industry: https://newsfrombarbaria.blogspot.com/.../facebook-thread...
    Maria Angell MD points a finger at the very heart of American capitalism as it now operates.
    Unbridled Capitalism has become an impregnable fortress for scoundrels... and worse.
    In its current manifestation, unregulated "Cowboy Capitalism" protects and advances the self-seeking greed of piggish "profiteering opportunists," all of them cut from the same cloth as Malignant Messiah.
    Every day, these guys diminish the viability of the biosphere to make another buck they don't need, and could not spend if they were to live as long as homo "sapiens" has inhabited planet Earth.
    Unregulated "Cowboy" Capitalism (In Memes): Capitalism Is The Foremost Propellant Of Moral And Environmental Degradation In America And In The World -- A Propellant Rendered Nearly Invisible By Plutocrats (And Now, Kakistocrats) Who "Divide And Conquer" Via The Idiocracy's Age-Old Manipulation Of Public Opinion
    Even so, at bedrock, I accept the fact that we can never be 100% sure of anything, and that statistically-based analysis of data that pays minute attention to risk/benefit ratios requires that we approve drugs exhibiting some measurable probability that some people will die (or suffer serious consequences) as a result of adverse drug reactions.
    I am not one to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
    Again, I refer you to Dr. Noc: https://drnoc.substack.com/ (Please note that you don't need to sign up to access Dr. Noc's archives.)
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